McCain president - Secret Service Exahusted

[blackhawk92]

I told my wife if McCain wins, the Secret Service is going to have to either increase staff or move officers from other LE duties to protect McCain's 7 kids plus Palin's 5 (well the infant is easy...). That has to be the most kids in the White House ever!
 My wife argues that not all the kids will get US Secret Service protection - like the son's in the military and the airline pilot wont get USSS details.  Anyone know?

[happydog]

I do believe the entire family is protected. I remember hearing stories about Chelsea Clinton and the Bush girls having the USSS with them during nights they went out.

[ACE844]

The entire immediate families get protective details. The size of which varies based on 'threat con, and other factors'. Traditionally during the campaign the candidates and their spouces get 24/7 protection once the conventions are done. The extended families are usually 'watched' but don't recieve 'major' full time protaction unless a 'stimulating' event occurs.

     After the inaugauration the protective details are usually at max capacity while the DPD (Dignatary Protective Detail) does their magic. After a period of time the details then slim down to their 'normal' size. As I understand it there are a number of factors which contribute to this and none of which I will discuss on an open discussion board. 

Hope this helps,
ACE844

[blackhawk92]

So ACE, the question is this. If entire immediate family gets protection, and between McCain & Palin there are 7 + 5 kids, don't they all get a detail of one size or another?  An I'm saying thats just a big adjustment for the USSS from having to protect only two twins.  Then the question is what about the kids actually   on active duty military (not at Annapolis)? I just don't see them sending a detail to protect a lance corporal or JAG Captain (Biden's son, not part of the 7 +5 kids, but also eligible) during their 12-15 month tour.  Know what I mean?

[happydog]

Oh now that is interesting. I didn't know that Biden's son was in. If they did the rest of the guys will be calling him a homo.

[ACE844]

So ACE, the question is this. If entire immediate family gets protection, and between McCain & Palin there are 7 + 5 kids, don't they all get a detail of one size or another?  An I'm saying thats just a big adjustment for the USSS from having to protect only two twins.  Then the question is what about the kids actually   on active duty military (not at Annapolis)? I just don't see them sending a detail to protect a lance corporal or JAG Captain (Biden's son, not part of the 7 +5 kids, but also eligible) during their 12-15 month tour.  Know what I mean?

Hypothetically what would occur is that would 'beef' up the military security there. Another 'known' tactic is to have plainclothes agents take up jobs and or posts and keep a low key surveilence on the protectee. Fact of the matter is even if the guy is just a whelp in the 'academy' these guys will still maintain a detail, perhaps not as large as one attached to a 6yo, but still they will maintain a 24/7 presence. Just because one is a plebe doesn't mean your prepared to take on an asymmetric threat 24/7, by yourself. If the individual is AD, they maybe slightly more prepared to step up, and more than likely the SS and Military will work jointly and beef up security in inobtrusive ways. Even so the security at your average base isn't all that hard to compromise by a trained determined advesary. These guys are trained and type A, they'll be all over him just as much as anyone else. Food for thought,
ACE

[happydog]

This is an awesome topic and something I think that has been completely overlooked in any conversation I have had with anyone this year. It certainly will be interesting when all the dust falls this November.

[ACE844]

In regards to deatil size. This is determined after a 'threat assessment.' Intuitively the size of detail is a needs and coverage based exercise. POTUS and VPOTUS have dedicated details that stay essentially the same size. DPD will cover the famileis and augment their staff as needed based on available agents from uniformed, a field office, etc.. Once again their sizes are classified and usualy are a multi-factorial equation.


USSS has procedures that are pretty strict about this type of thing. They are big on tactics, and learning from the past. That's all I'll say about that. Frankly even having this discussion is askign for a flag and investigation as well as a potential for having the site taken down and this portion removed from the archives. So it's abit moot in a way. Lucky for me I've already passed a SS background investigation and one more won't hurt I guess..

[JAYMEDINC]

This is an awesome topic and something I think that has been completely overlooked in any conversation I have had with anyone this year. It certainly will be interesting when all the dust falls this November.

I don't read the politcal threads in here and found myself here thinking it was coin related.  But I do agree, this topic is very interesting and I am glad for the question and quality answers.

[ACE844]

The reason I say the thread maybe taken down is the SS, takes seriously and looks for-enforces strict security measures. Pics, Video, discussion about tactics, and in place 'deterrence measures' are things they want to be 'unknowns'. The idea is that any and all info. on this stuff can be potentially used by an advesary to gain an advantage. Another part of this is their use and classification of 'threat lists'. Any and all 'persons of interest' based on their ' threat classification' are investigated and or where abouts determined as best as possible before a presidential visit to an area. Where you are on that lists dictates the level of pre-arrival attention and surveillance you get. These are just some of the many ongoing measures that are taken..

The take home point is don't just look at the deatil as a strict TO&E style rigid organisation. It's in a continuous state of flux with varying levels of assigned personnell and support based on 'current need and priority'..Don't think that just because one is a distant or close relative they aren't 'watched', or investigated... Looking at numbers alone will cause inaccuracies and missestimations of capabilities.

Now what do you think?

[blackhawk92]

Well I think a few things:
#1 If the USSS "takes down" this web site, then Adam should definitly talk to them about hooking him up with a coin
#2  If they come to me and say "why are you asking questions"? Then I'll see about trading some of my USSS coins with them for some of the really cool ones they have. Have you seen what their coins are selling for on eBay???
#3 I think all the USSS guys are going to vote for Obama because he only has 2 kids for them to chase, McCain has 7 plus Palin has 5.
#4 I used to think the USSS was BY FAR the coolest law enforcement agency beccause when everyone else was carrying HK MP5 variants, these guys were carrying Uzi's.  Real men carry Uzis!  Unfortunately those days are gone now...
But seriously, have you seen how much money their coins are raking in on eBay?

[ACE844]

Yeah their coins are raking in the $$'s, I have even seen an increase in the counterfeits. There's a west coast guy selling a 'directors coin' which is a horrible knock off.. Looks good in the pic, but in reality it's a scan epoxy crap coin...
They are smart folks, I think they'll vote for the person least likely to be a bigoted, approval poll chasing, windbag, who will do the least amount of damage to the country. I mean really, can you just imagine Drama queen michellesabamanot yourmamma's crap for four years 24/7...

BARAK!!! Can you believe this SH%^...I need to tell the SECRET SERVICE GUYS WHERE I"M GOING! OH HELL NO! HEY DID YOU LOOK AT MY BOOTY MR SPECIAL AGENT MAN!

I bet they'll pass on that. They learned their lesson from Hillary Shhhh...it's a secret

[happydog]

The come here I am going to solicit them without a doubt. So talk on guys and get their attention, I would great appreciate it. I already bark up every tree that comes my way. Even when investigators come here for security clearances I let them know

[JAYMEDINC]

But seriously, have you seen how much money their coins are raking in on eBay?

Yeah, my record auction high sale that is about to end, is a USSS coin.  Luckily it didn't get made by that west coast guy either.  My East Coast supplier that provided this coin to me doesn't make fakes.  It is the same person that I got a truckload of coins from yesterday.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=370082466045&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT

[ACE844]

I admit it.. I got bagged. I bought  a small 'lot' of coins that looked great and authentic in their pic and I asked if they were and I got an affirmative reply. I got the coins, one was missing. I asked about it and got told that one was on back order and on the way.. ... ANyway, the coins looked like crap and looked like a hires scan of an authentic coin which was then epoxy'd over... ...

They have been returned to sender...

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